tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063163257624231557.post8081848868111941276..comments2024-02-07T08:41:52.923-07:00Comments on Dustin's Gun Blog: Unbelievable - Attempt at Ammunition Ban in Arizona!Dustinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10234393631788374972noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063163257624231557.post-10002045210545337862008-10-09T02:41:00.000-07:002008-10-09T02:41:00.000-07:00The Arizona Citizens Defense League reports that H...The Arizona Citizens Defense League reports that HB 2833 is now DEAD (it failed to move before the deadline. Go to http://www.azcdl.org/html/2008_bills.html to see the status of this bill & others). However, this does not mean that the fight is over. If anything, we need to remain ever watchful because we all know that things like this have a habit of turning up again just like the proverbial bad penny.<BR/><BR/>Here is a list of the Representatives who supported this piece of garbage:<BR/><BR/>Martha Garcia, Democrat(District 13, running for re-election this year)<BR/>Linda Lopez, Democrat (District 29)<BR/>Manuel V. Alvarez, Democrat (District 25)<BR/>David Bradley, Democrat (District 28, running for re-election this year)<BR/>Clovis D. Campbell Jr., Democrat (District 16, running for re-election this year)<BR/><BR/>Despite the fact that HB 2833 is now dead, it is vital that we let these elected officials know just how displeased we all are by not voting for them in November & removing them from office.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063163257624231557.post-20094977163522750752008-03-31T21:49:00.000-07:002008-03-31T21:49:00.000-07:00wow. unbelievable... Just unbelievable. It is hap...wow. unbelievable... Just unbelievable. It is happening everywhere it seems.Constitutionally Armedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12590901122845750047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063163257624231557.post-14695944746819814012008-03-01T04:26:00.000-07:002008-03-01T04:26:00.000-07:00Thanks for all the work you've done at digging dow...Thanks for all the work you've done at digging down to who really is behind this. It seemed really weird to see a bill like this first introduced in Mississippi and then a bunch of other states. The one in Pennsylvania charges 5 cents per round to subsidize the database or an extra $1 per 20 round box of hunting rifle ammo.<BR/><BR/>The one thing I'd urge people to do is check out who is the sponsor in each and every state. The thing I found in PA is that they all were gun-banners from Philadelphia with only two exceptions.<BR/><BR/>It hasn't hit North Carolina yet but it will only be a matter of time unless we nip this thing in the bud.<BR/><BR/>The other thing to look for is campaign contributions from Ravensford, its founders, or their lobbiests to the introducers of the bill. I think you might be able to make a case for bribery or corruption. Now wouldn't that make some nice headlines!John Richardsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03151468462458613615noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063163257624231557.post-40240435780052131482008-02-24T17:45:00.000-07:002008-02-24T17:45:00.000-07:00Wow, as an Australian I cannot help but get a gigg...Wow, as an Australian I cannot help but get a giggle out of this nonsense. Now that it has become evident that licensing and registration is not politically palatable in most US states, I have heard some of the most far out, impossible and yes, even funny propositions put forward by the anti-gunners I have ever heard.<BR/><BR/>I think this has to go down as one of the funniest and most ridiculous yet...projectile serial numbers...hahahahahahahha! AHHHHAHAHAHA! I swear this just gave me the best laugh I have had in a while, a big thank you to Arizona politicians for this joke that sounds like a skit from a sketch show!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063163257624231557.post-34551318359798458562008-02-19T16:31:00.000-07:002008-02-19T16:31:00.000-07:00HB 2833 is a ruse. Just read and check out the fo...HB 2833 is a ruse. Just read and check out the following:<BR/><BR/>Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 2:06 am Post subject: <BR/> <BR/><BR/>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR/> <BR/>From the highroad website... <BR/><BR/>The core legislation document in AZ was written by a person called Briahna Taylor from the law firm Gordon Thomas Honeywell. <BR/><BR/>One of their clients is called Ammunition Coding System. (www.ammocoding.com) <BR/><BR/>This appears to be a shell for a company called Ravensforge LLC. Ravensforge inventors of record are Mr Steve Mace of Seattle, Washington and Mr. Russel H. Ford also of Seattle. They have a patent pending for this system. <BR/><BR/>It is very interesting to see that as part of their "About Us" mission statement they boldly state that the implementation requires legislation. <BR/><BR/>Interestingly enough they also intend to charge a licensing fee for EVERY bullet sold as well..... <BR/><BR/>All of use folks in AZ should be asking the following about this bill to our legislators: <BR/><BR/>1. This legislation is only being pushed by a single vendor as a commercial enterprise. In effect using the legislation as their sales force (without paying them.) <BR/>2. This system is proprietary and with patent pending will lock out any other provider <BR/>3. The system has not had any validation, peer review, etc <BR/>4. The system will act as an inherent restraint on interstate trade <BR/>5. The information provided via the system will contain data that is generally regarded as PII (Personally Identifiable Information) and as such has legislative protection. Due to it's nature, the system may broach 5th amendment self incrimination protection. <BR/><BR/>If you go to the following website (http://ammunitionaccountability.org/Legislation.htm), you will see this exact same legislation is being pushed in the following states: <BR/><BR/>2008 Legislation <BR/>Arizona: <BR/>Arizona House Bill 2833 <BR/><BR/>California: <BR/>California Senate Bill 997 (Carried Over from 2007) <BR/><BR/>Hawaii <BR/>Hawaii House Bill 2392 <BR/>Hawaii Senate Bill 2020 <BR/>Hawaii Senate Bill 2076 <BR/>Hawaii House Resolution 82-07 (Carried Over from 2007) Hawaii Concurrent Resolution 104-06 (Carried Over from 2007) <BR/><BR/>Illinois <BR/>Illinois House Bill 4258 <BR/>Illinois House Bill 4259 <BR/>Illinois House Bill 4269 <BR/>Illinois House Bill 4349 <BR/>Illinois Senate Bill 1095 (Carried Over from 2007) <BR/><BR/>Indiana <BR/>Indiana House Bill 1260 <BR/><BR/>Maryland <BR/>Maryland House Bill 517 <BR/><BR/>Mississippi <BR/>Mississippi Senate Bill 2286 <BR/><BR/>New York <BR/>New York House Bill 6920 (Carried Over from 2007) New York House Bill 7300 (Carried Over from 2007) New York Senate Bill 1177 (Carried Over from 2007) New York Senate Bill 3731 (Carried Over from 2007) <BR/><BR/>Pennsylvania <BR/>Pennsylvania House Bill <BR/><BR/>Tennessee <BR/>Tennessee House Bill 3245 <BR/>Tennessee Senate Bill 3395 <BR/><BR/>Washington <BR/>Washington House Bill 3359 <BR/><BR/>They are everywhere - they the Liberals have decided that with no AMMO is eaiser to legislate than Gun Bans.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063163257624231557.post-80206005713777790732008-02-17T17:17:00.000-07:002008-02-17T17:17:00.000-07:00"Serialization" like the Condor and lead-ammo ban ..."Serialization" like the Condor and lead-ammo ban is nothing but a means to separate you and your gun from your ammunition.NotClauswitzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14358707844087117280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063163257624231557.post-20011976616267245852008-02-17T07:24:00.000-07:002008-02-17T07:24:00.000-07:00They'll going to BAN handloading/reloading too!They'll going to BAN handloading/reloading too!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063163257624231557.post-31330074209766059952008-02-16T19:59:00.000-07:002008-02-16T19:59:00.000-07:00I theorize that the serialization is a publicity a...I theorize that the serialization is a publicity attempt as well as a marketing ploy by the ammo coding company and weenie politicians looking for some cool points. <BR/>Good initiative, bad judgement on their part. <BR/>Whatever we can do to get the guns away from the criminals is a good thing. <BR/>Taking rights away from us law abiding citizens is a bad thing. <BR/>Yes, I carry. <BR/>Yes, I hunt. <BR/>I'll be reloading my own ammo in short order too. <BR/>Tell me how we're gonna serialize that?<BR/>Rest assured that I have already spoken with my representatives, and spoken my peace. <BR/>Serialization of ammo is a ridiculous attempt to further regulate our rights under the Second Amendment, and a flawed motive at that. <BR/>And, as far as my wife to be and I are concerned, you can have my guns when you pry them from my cold dead fingers. <BR/>Semper Fi! <BR/>PRCDevildogAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063163257624231557.post-57477482617117516272008-02-16T07:43:00.000-07:002008-02-16T07:43:00.000-07:00I have seen comments about Dumbocrats and liberals...I have seen comments about Dumbocrats and liberals taking away gun rights. I am comforted by the idea that a democrat can not take away my rights!! As these rights are not given by humans but by God.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06264292575538814570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063163257624231557.post-65367031076650948982008-02-16T06:07:00.000-07:002008-02-16T06:07:00.000-07:00Thank you for posting this. This is typical of wha...Thank you for posting this. This is typical of what is comming down the road. If they can not get the guns, they will go after the ammuniton. <BR/><BR/>Keep up the good work on your Blog site. <BR/><BR/>Clark - Carryconcealed.netAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063163257624231557.post-37474368744556262962008-02-15T08:45:00.000-07:002008-02-15T08:45:00.000-07:00If you would like to read my blog, go to: myspace....If you would like to read my blog, go to: myspace.com/bearthoughts60mrbearpaw60https://www.blogger.com/profile/10849326034443345549noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063163257624231557.post-76550994855901118492008-02-15T08:33:00.000-07:002008-02-15T08:33:00.000-07:00Buck Miller (Bad American)YES, I'M A BAD AMERICAN ...Buck Miller (Bad American)<BR/>YES, I'M A BAD AMERICAN <BR/><BR/>I think owning a gun doesn't <BR/>make you a killer, it makes you a smart American. <BR/><BR/>I Am the Liberal-Progressives <BR/>Worst Nightmare. I am an American.<BR/><BR/>I believe that if you are <BR/>selling me a Big Mac, do it in English.<BR/><BR/>I believe if you don't like the <BR/>way things are here, go back to where you came from and change your <BR/>own country! This is AMERICA.<BR/><BR/>This was sent to me by my son, If you want the complete email. send me an email and I will forward it to you.<BR/><BR/>Dennismrbearpaw60https://www.blogger.com/profile/10849326034443345549noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063163257624231557.post-51390290906084159402008-02-14T21:25:00.000-07:002008-02-14T21:25:00.000-07:00I like bearpaws idea - let them, the "elite" feel ...I like bearpaws idea - let them, the "elite" feel safe without their special privileges and armed escorts. <BR/><BR/>Az Game & Fish DOES NOT support any ammo ban. In 2005, they gave coupons to hunters who had a succesful tag draw in condor areas for FREE nonlead ammo. (2 boxes) <BR/>A survey was used to sort out feedback from the hunters about the ammo. Some loved it, some hated it and for some it was a wash. <BR/>The other alternative was to request that all lead ammo shot game and gut piles be removed thereby removing the possibility that Conan the Condor would eat any lead. This seems to be working well enough that no ammo ban is needed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063163257624231557.post-15075125294361578452008-02-14T16:46:00.000-07:002008-02-14T16:46:00.000-07:00Keep the condor OUT! You gotta get rid of that ca...Keep the condor OUT! You gotta get rid of that cancerous fossil. It's nothing more than a wedge-issue and political platform to drive apart the foundations of hunting and game management. <BR/>In CA our Fish & Game Dept has been so thoroughly taken-over by Ecoweenies who gladly rolled-over on the "Condor Issue" even though the science is NOT there - it's faked-up presentations, invented hypothesis, and slight of hand measurements.<BR/>We now have a .22LR ban in effect since they are all lead softpoints, for anywhere that the Condor "might" inhabit - which is anywhere at all since nobody knows...NotClauswitzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14358707844087117280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063163257624231557.post-80230840050580297582008-02-14T11:58:00.000-07:002008-02-14T11:58:00.000-07:00As a Jewess in the US, I would like to remind all ...As a Jewess in the US, I would like to remind all that America wasn't won with a registered gun, and that criminals are stopped by FIREARMS, not by talk. That is why all REAL Americans put our 2nd Amendment FIRST!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063163257624231557.post-6226999245229798702008-02-14T10:45:00.000-07:002008-02-14T10:45:00.000-07:00dirtcrashr: Yes they already have an "experimental...dirtcrashr: Yes they already have an "experimental introduction" of the Condor in Arizona going on, and the environmentalists are already pushing the Arizona Game & Fish Commission to <A HREF="http://dustinsgunblog.blogspot.com/2008/01/is-california-lead-ban-coming-to.html" REL="nofollow">ban lead ammo</A> in the hunting regs. Luckily so far the response from gun owners & hunters has <A HREF="http://dustinsgunblog.blogspot.com/2008/01/good-news-arizona-game-fish-decided.html" REL="nofollow">convinced the AZ Game & Fish Commission</A> to stick with leaving the type of ammo up to the hunters.<BR/><BR/>Cam: You are very welcome. I'd sure love to hear that discussion - I hope they accept your invitation. :)Dustinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10234393631788374972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063163257624231557.post-75451459792798411962008-02-14T10:32:00.000-07:002008-02-14T10:32:00.000-07:00Dustin,Thanks again for bringing this to my attent...Dustin,<BR/><BR/>Thanks again for bringing this to my attention. I've contacted the company and invited them to appear on Cam and Company. We'll see if they respond.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063163257624231557.post-49496089885440226322008-02-14T10:29:00.000-07:002008-02-14T10:29:00.000-07:00Sounds like the crap Arnold signed-off on here in ...Sounds like the crap Arnold signed-off on here in CA. Does AZ contain any "potential range" for the semi-extinct Condor? Then look for a lead ammo ban to emerge, including .22LR - unless it's a FMJ .22LR...NotClauswitzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14358707844087117280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063163257624231557.post-77190033615543689352008-02-14T06:18:00.000-07:002008-02-14T06:18:00.000-07:00no really, think about it, the Democrats are just ...no really, think about it, the Democrats are just afraid that they'll be shot by random people below a 75 IQ (who are allowed to get guns). Their such cowards. Just cause they might be preventing convicts, gangsters or people unfit this does mean that they're out to get you. And YES, adding 5 cents to a bullet case really does mean that they want to ban guns worldwide. We must put a stop to this. If democrats are so afraid of this (in the words of the guy 3 comments above me) "we should take away their rights."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063163257624231557.post-23085990632755680772008-02-13T23:18:00.000-07:002008-02-13T23:18:00.000-07:00Terry: Thank you for your service to our Country ...Terry: Thank you for your service to our Country & for standing by my side to fight to keep our right to bear arms & ammunition. We will not loose this battle so long as there are still good men & women in our Country who are willing to stand up & stay active in our political processes.Dustinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10234393631788374972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063163257624231557.post-70248665177351344772008-02-13T19:47:00.000-07:002008-02-13T19:47:00.000-07:00I sent the following e-mail to the sponsors of thi...I sent the following e-mail to the sponsors of this bill and to the Governor and my local representatives. We need to get the word out.<BR/><BR/>I am a registered Democrat and a 12 year Marine Corps veteran who is combat disabled. I pay attention to the issues and I vote. I am also an NRA member and own handguns to protect myself and my family and for sport shooting. This micro-stamping of ammunition is foolish in the details and is clearly a backhanded and not so subtle attempt to begin handgun control by making ammunition more costly and difficult to buy. This is a violation of the rights I have fought and been injured for and seen my friends die for. I intend to use my vote accordingly.DarwinOSXhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09574463830528297392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063163257624231557.post-40728672898992861132008-02-13T15:30:00.000-07:002008-02-13T15:30:00.000-07:00I would guess that we should try as "We the People...I would guess that we should try as "We the People" to pass a bill that would remove the right of all politicians from having or possessing a weapon of any kind and no body guards who have a weapon either. Just because they are a politician does not nean they need protection from any one but the local police when called. As we would have only the local police. If they would eventially remove our rights given to us by the Second amendment. The Right To BEar Arms. <BR/>we should take away their rights also. <BR/><BR/>Dennis Ketchummrbearpaw60https://www.blogger.com/profile/10849326034443345549noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063163257624231557.post-18547953918894881022008-02-13T07:01:00.000-07:002008-02-13T07:01:00.000-07:00They tried to run this through in IN as well. The ...They tried to run this through in IN as well. The bill called for an additional cost of .05 cents per cartridge. This was killed quickly as it should have been. The thing that bothers me the most is the waste of time and taxpayer money that went into creating a bill that is so ill thought. I think it was just another attempt to drive up costs in order to discourage current firearms and future firearms owners from purchasing guns.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com